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. , a house hearing on islamic extremism in chechnya. during a white house photo op 's kingorgian -- jordan abdullah, president obama discussed the civil war and other issues pretty searing government has used chemical weapons in the two-year civil war prepress and obama called the findings game changer. he said the investigation continues. this is about 10 minutes. [no audio] i want to welcome to the oval office once again king abdullah. his majesty is a great friend of the united states. jordan is a great partner to the united states on a host of issues. although we have recently seen each other, want to thank his majesty for the extraordinary hospitality he showed during our visit. there remain a host of issues in the region we will have a opportunity to discuss. first of all, i want to congratulate his majesty on syria -- the serious issue inside of jordan. we have been supportive with respect to long guarantees and other efforts in part because we have also seen the abdulla take some very important steps to further open democracy an
. , a house hearing on islamic extremism in chechnya. during a white house photo op 's kingorgian -- jordan abdullah, president obama discussed the civil war and other issues pretty searing government has used chemical weapons in the two-year civil war prepress and obama called the findings game changer. he said the investigation continues. this is about 10 minutes. [no audio] i want to welcome to the oval office once again king abdullah. his majesty is a great friend of the united states....
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there are reports of chechnya's fighting in afghanistan and chechnya and the networks in europe. a qaeda has made recruitment priority and they were thought to have been trained in pakistan. the appearance of chechen fighters assad of the northern caucuses is ominous. the original uprising against russia was secular and nationalist. within this context there would be no motive for chechnya and exiles to attach united states. especially after we have given them sanctuary. obviously some chechnya's have had their world view radicalized, as was the case with the two boston terrorists who turned from young people being raised here into a jihadist mentality of global war against ininfidels. why is it happening? what outside forces have saw to transform the northern caucuses in central asia into a region of muslim extremism that did not exist before. in particular, what impact the -- does arabia play saudi arabia play and other islamic countries? greater cooperation with russia and the governments of central explored in order to properly understand and respond this emerging threat. thi
there are reports of chechnya's fighting in afghanistan and chechnya and the networks in europe. a qaeda has made recruitment priority and they were thought to have been trained in pakistan. the appearance of chechen fighters assad of the northern caucuses is ominous. the original uprising against russia was secular and nationalist. within this context there would be no motive for chechnya and exiles to attach united states. especially after we have given them sanctuary. obviously some...
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outside of chechnya and outside of russia it is a democracy initiative thanks you thoughts. a message posted on twitter by one of the suspects just hours after the boston bombing reads no love in the heart of the city stay safe people know earlier i asked the foreign affairs editor of chronicles magazine in chicago about the men's personalities of his thoughts on why they were granted asylum in the u.s. what we're looking at is what has been called sudden heart syndrome where in a certain signal light young man or two or three or five parents leave well adapted to their environment returned apparently perfectly capable or functioning suddenly go berserk in one way or another and what we're seeing time and over again is that young muslim particularly young muslim men who come to the west and go in search of america entity because post-modern consumerist society full of platitudes about inclusiveness and multiculturalism doesn't really offer anything meaningful can be attached to it when they're a kid did offer the family did offer them asylum even though they didn't have thei
outside of chechnya and outside of russia it is a democracy initiative thanks you thoughts. a message posted on twitter by one of the suspects just hours after the boston bombing reads no love in the heart of the city stay safe people know earlier i asked the foreign affairs editor of chronicles magazine in chicago about the men's personalities of his thoughts on why they were granted asylum in the u.s. what we're looking at is what has been called sudden heart syndrome where in a certain...
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we don't know how long and if at all they were getting in chechnya. we know that they were in kyrgyzstan, we know that they were also in davistan. so you're still affected by the echoes of work and the politics in the region. so that could be the link that we have, that this is a psychological response to many years of war. it could also be a political ideological response. we don't know yet, if at all, that there are any links between the chechen radicals that still exist as part of the insurgency or, for that matter, for any of the networks that exist in other regions. now, you have to understand that this is a very unusual event if that were the case. because chechen separatists have not taken their struggle outside of the russian federation. so if they were to make this strategic movement by using young men instrumentally and politically, then we -- i would really be wondering why. >> right. >> because it hasn't happened in the past. >> well, what's your sense of a network of terrorism network, associated with these two individuals? i mean, law en
we don't know how long and if at all they were getting in chechnya. we know that they were in kyrgyzstan, we know that they were also in davistan. so you're still affected by the echoes of work and the politics in the region. so that could be the link that we have, that this is a psychological response to many years of war. it could also be a political ideological response. we don't know yet, if at all, that there are any links between the chechen radicals that still exist as part of the...
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thank you for joining us, matthew, what do you make of fact they are from chechnya? is that a piece of a puzzle. the uncle is anguished and trying to tell us that is not relevant but i suspect it is. >> we don't know yet, why these boys decided to do what they did. we can speculate that if they have chechen family ties, whether they grew up in chechnya so young, they are not veterans of the chechen wars from 1990s. they may have had some exposure to people who were. melissa: they came here speak seeking asylum. that is how they got their documents and that is how at least one became a naturalized citizen, this is relevant they were told they were fleeing that country. >> they would one of those narratives is an islamist extremist terrorist story, even if they had no exposure in person in chechnya, what may have happened, you know being isolated, feeling disgruntled in u.s., they went on-line could they speak language, they may have been radicalized through web forms. melissa: peter, we care about this, one of the biggest questions today, are these homegrown terrorist
thank you for joining us, matthew, what do you make of fact they are from chechnya? is that a piece of a puzzle. the uncle is anguished and trying to tell us that is not relevant but i suspect it is. >> we don't know yet, why these boys decided to do what they did. we can speculate that if they have chechen family ties, whether they grew up in chechnya so young, they are not veterans of the chechen wars from 1990s. they may have had some exposure to people who were. melissa: they came...
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meaning this was not something that they learned at home in chechnya. what do you make of that from the chechen president? >> first of all, you talk about the options that law enforcement had. you had a man with an ied strapped to his chest. who had just allegedly killed a police officer and was throwing bombs and guns. to claim that, you know, they should have taken them alive as they were running at the officers, you know, last-minute fuselage, that's just -- you take that for what it is. and the second part of your question was in terms of the root of evil here in america? look, these two gentlemen, based on the documents we've obtained, came with their family and they sought asylum to come to this country and it was granted. one of them was naturalized on 9/11/2012. their own uncle as we've played on this channel has said these two lost souls do not speak for their family and have brought their family disgrace. i think in terms of the conversation that's ongoing, i would -- i think most americans would agree with the uncle and the relatives and thei
meaning this was not something that they learned at home in chechnya. what do you make of that from the chechen president? >> first of all, you talk about the options that law enforcement had. you had a man with an ied strapped to his chest. who had just allegedly killed a police officer and was throwing bombs and guns. to claim that, you know, they should have taken them alive as they were running at the officers, you know, last-minute fuselage, that's just -- you take that for what it...
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the two suspects were branded as coming from a russian region close to chechnya indeed many may need reminding of the name and location of republic of the good stand where the two supposedly came from but the word certainly rings bells probably because of the media headlines in the one thousand nine hundred and at the beginning of the new millennium that's when russia had a military operation in the north caucasus. russian troops deployed in the republic can finally be drawn the rebels fighting for independence or go have been dramatically reduced it was called the church of independence had no become the ultimate judgment that conflict often went beyond the borders of the chechen republic let's remember apartment buildings bombed in moscow a theater siege in the russian capital and a school takeover in russia's north thousands of civilians were killed but the men who had blood on their hands were often described as freedom fighters and rebels by the western media at times it even sounded like a romantic image the reality is that in the north caucasus russia has been fighting the sam
the two suspects were branded as coming from a russian region close to chechnya indeed many may need reminding of the name and location of republic of the good stand where the two supposedly came from but the word certainly rings bells probably because of the media headlines in the one thousand nine hundred and at the beginning of the new millennium that's when russia had a military operation in the north caucasus. russian troops deployed in the republic can finally be drawn the rebels fighting...
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but no one in chechnya has come forward that saw him during that six-month period and said -- >> in fact, you should understand, this is an important point. beginning -- so the whole chechen drama, which goes back to the czars, the czars were trying to put down the chechens. you can read all about in the tolstoy. so the drama erupts again in 1991 with the collapse of the soviet union and the chechen separatist movement breaks out and it becomes a matter of violence and the yeltsin government puts down violently the first chechen war. then in '99 there's another chechen war. the chechens are defeated again. and those combatants did one of two things: either they -- in their exhaustion went over to the russian side or they dispersed into dagestan which is right near them and kind of took for the hills, as it were. and the ideology changed. it was no longer a matter of chechen separatism, it was a matter of global jihad. it's a very -- it's a very difficult thing to suss out. so when the dagestanny radicals said they have no interest in u.s. targets, it's hard to figure out what they mean a
but no one in chechnya has come forward that saw him during that six-month period and said -- >> in fact, you should understand, this is an important point. beginning -- so the whole chechen drama, which goes back to the czars, the czars were trying to put down the chechens. you can read all about in the tolstoy. so the drama erupts again in 1991 with the collapse of the soviet union and the chechen separatist movement breaks out and it becomes a matter of violence and the yeltsin...
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between chechnya, russia and the united states. can you give us a little primer about the sort of tumult in the region? >> it's a good question. we're learning a lot today, a lot of americans haven't focused on what has been chilling situation for many russians for a lot of years in the mid 1990s, chechnya tried to break away from russia as emerging from the soviet union. russian forces went in to try to keep them. two wars ensued, lots of death and terrorism resulted. when i was in moscow, chechen terrorists took over a theater filled with hundreds and hundreds of theatergoers. 130 died. i was in beslan, a small school in southern russia that got taken over by chechen terrorists, hundreds of children and their teachers died. so for a lot of russians, what we're seeing in the reports from boston, brings back a lot of chilling memories to them. we don't know the connections between these brothers and that conflict. but there is some stuff on the russian website to indicate that there was some interest in the going on back home. even
between chechnya, russia and the united states. can you give us a little primer about the sort of tumult in the region? >> it's a good question. we're learning a lot today, a lot of americans haven't focused on what has been chilling situation for many russians for a lot of years in the mid 1990s, chechnya tried to break away from russia as emerging from the soviet union. russian forces went in to try to keep them. two wars ensued, lots of death and terrorism resulted. when i was in...
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chechnya might as well be a suburb of narnia. for 12 years americans have been told a nice little story about who the bad guys are and what they look like. and then along come these two. the muslim. they're white. they're immigrants but they're americans. they're athletes. dzhokhar is a monster yet kind of a hottie. >> jon: i get that. they're from the suburbs yet they like the hip hop. >> i'm pretty sure that one is difficult. but the point is there's too much going on with these guys. even the guys' names. dzhokhar tsarnaev. it's like he managed to squeeze every letter of the al a bet in there. you can anagram to spell anything from overt hazard shank to zack efron sucks to jello pudding pops. can't get more american than that. ( cheers and applause ). >> jon: yellow pudding pops? the last few, aasif, i'm pretty sure at least two of those were not actually anagrams. >> i do not know how anagrams work, jon. >> jon: aasif mandvi, everybody. ,x=pdhdhdh24m;d)!<6mmxaoo ( cheers and applause ). >> jon: welcome back to the show. we
chechnya might as well be a suburb of narnia. for 12 years americans have been told a nice little story about who the bad guys are and what they look like. and then along come these two. the muslim. they're white. they're immigrants but they're americans. they're athletes. dzhokhar is a monster yet kind of a hottie. >> jon: i get that. they're from the suburbs yet they like the hip hop. >> i'm pretty sure that one is difficult. but the point is there's too much going on with these...
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. >>> next, we'll take you halfway around the world to chechnya to delve into the chechen connection. how does someone get radicalized? i'll ask the director of a terrific and timely new movie "the reluctant fundamentalist." and we'll talk to google's executive chairman eric schmidt about technology and terrorism, as well as other things. >>> finally, why the world can't get enough of ben franklin. i'll explain. but, first, here's my take. as we learn more about the brothers tsarnaev, we want to ask larger questions about radical islam, muslim communities, and the breakdown of assimilation. what do they tell us about all this? the most accurate answer might turn out to be, not much. larger phenomenon might be at work. but these two young men may not reflect an intensification of these trends. it seems they are two alienated young men who turned toward hate and allegedly to murder. that was the point the brother's uncle made when he pointedly called his nephews losers. >> these losers. >> he was arguing against the notion that thank you the boys represented a larger community and large
. >>> next, we'll take you halfway around the world to chechnya to delve into the chechen connection. how does someone get radicalized? i'll ask the director of a terrific and timely new movie "the reluctant fundamentalist." and we'll talk to google's executive chairman eric schmidt about technology and terrorism, as well as other things. >>> finally, why the world can't get enough of ben franklin. i'll explain. but, first, here's my take. as we learn more about the...
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abu dujan and tamerlan were in chechnya. he ran a training camp in the woods and made this video of how to make homemade explosives and use a cell phone as a detonator and said the local police chief they trained foreigners. >> what did the foreigners learn in the woods? >> translator: i can't talk about the number of foreigners, but they met to exchange their banded experience. >> he said the militants train chechen men who live in other countries. >> there are reports that dujan was observed at the mosque and he was observed meeting tsarnaev. do you know this? >> translator: i really can't answer this. for different reasons i can't answer. you understand me? >> did abu dujan and tamerlan meet? we don't know. this past december abu dujan and other militants were killed when russian special forces hit their hideout. >> maybe he's a hero of the brother. maybe he isn't, but tamerlan watches these videos and then this individual gets killed. now logic would tell you, well, who would you be mad at? runners in the boston marathon
abu dujan and tamerlan were in chechnya. he ran a training camp in the woods and made this video of how to make homemade explosives and use a cell phone as a detonator and said the local police chief they trained foreigners. >> what did the foreigners learn in the woods? >> translator: i can't talk about the number of foreigners, but they met to exchange their banded experience. >> he said the militants train chechen men who live in other countries. >> there are reports...
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what about roots in chechnya? >> fact one if they are and because they're chechen does not mean they're anti-american but if they have been recruited to become jihadist they're on a collision course with the united states. that is very clear. chechnya, bosnia, many countries that are at odds with india or russia or muslim countries have been supported by the united states but every jihadist in those countries has been working against the united states. if he's chechen but he is jihadist once coming to the united states he's going to be encouraged to act against this country. >> jahar in, the hospital tonight apparently i don't think he's ever been out of the country since he's come here in early 2000s. it's questionable how he became radicalized. >> if you hear what his uncle was saying and what many have been saying not just about this case but 48 cases of homeland security threats it's really about who is radicalizing these people. it's not just foreigners, american born we have had many converts and been radica
what about roots in chechnya? >> fact one if they are and because they're chechen does not mean they're anti-american but if they have been recruited to become jihadist they're on a collision course with the united states. that is very clear. chechnya, bosnia, many countries that are at odds with india or russia or muslim countries have been supported by the united states but every jihadist in those countries has been working against the united states. if he's chechen but he is jihadist...
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from the russian region of chechnya. stay right here with ktvu news for more. >>> back here at home an hour from right now runners in san francisco will start a race that will honor the victims of the marathon bombing. tara moriarty is at the ferry building in san francisco. that is where the race will start and finish. tara. >> reporter: more than 500 people have signed up to run this race and they will be decked out in yellow and blue the colors for boston to show their support for the victims. they will gather here along the embarcadero. this race should kick off around 7:00. they will do a big loop and end upright back here. the group has a facebook page and the twitter #runforboston. it has turned into a virtual meeting spot for a steady somber screen of users. one said i was lucky enough to finish the boston marathon and i would love to run to support the cause and run free. this comes one week after explosions near the finish line of one of the world's most prestigious races. killed at least three people and injur
from the russian region of chechnya. stay right here with ktvu news for more. >>> back here at home an hour from right now runners in san francisco will start a race that will honor the victims of the marathon bombing. tara moriarty is at the ferry building in san francisco. that is where the race will start and finish. tara. >> reporter: more than 500 people have signed up to run this race and they will be decked out in yellow and blue the colors for boston to show their support...
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chechnya is still home to militant separatist groups. and the home tamerlan's father grew up in has been destroyed by war. the relatives still live here. tamerlan traveled here during his trip last year. >> translator: he came to see me. we talked. i said, come here, guy. are you studying, i asked. i'm studying, he said. there was nothing criminal about him. >> reporter: deval says this region has also seen a growth in islamic extremism, becoming more anti-western and anti-american. >> if you are a young jihadist from this region, you certainly blame russia as the kind of evil empire that attacked and repressed you and also the west, basically, did nothing to intervene when russia was bombing chechnya. >> reporter: it's not known if tamerlan met with any extremists during his visit to chechnya. on his youtube page in a playlist called "terrorism" there was i link to this video of a small-time militant, abu dijan. abu dijan and tamerlan were both in dagestan last year. according to dagestani police abu dijan's group ran a training camp in
chechnya is still home to militant separatist groups. and the home tamerlan's father grew up in has been destroyed by war. the relatives still live here. tamerlan traveled here during his trip last year. >> translator: he came to see me. we talked. i said, come here, guy. are you studying, i asked. i'm studying, he said. there was nothing criminal about him. >> reporter: deval says this region has also seen a growth in islamic extremism, becoming more anti-western and anti-american....
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i worry about the possibility of a connection back to chechnya. as you know, in chechnya is a terribly terror afflicted part of the world, especially into russia. it wants to be separate from russia starting after the fall of the soviet union. there have been a number of huge tear plots and attacks against russia out of chechnya. 2000 and two, the moscow theatre , you know, more than 100 people killed. the school in 2004. almost 400 people killed when they held 1,000 students and teachers hostage. and then, of course, 2010 there was an attack by a female suicide bombers in the moscow subway killing nearly 40, and there have been others as well, less notorious than that. so i am very sorry. there is a belief that there are ties between chechnya and rebel groups. and so i cannot say that there is a definite connection, when you say chechnya, that is the first a comes to mind for me. dagen: and a fox these producer, really could be allowed to point out, reporting that it appears that after the first gunshot blast last night, fire near mit, that he we
i worry about the possibility of a connection back to chechnya. as you know, in chechnya is a terribly terror afflicted part of the world, especially into russia. it wants to be separate from russia starting after the fall of the soviet union. there have been a number of huge tear plots and attacks against russia out of chechnya. 2000 and two, the moscow theatre , you know, more than 100 people killed. the school in 2004. almost 400 people killed when they held 1,000 students and teachers...
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this wasn't our fight for chechnya. how good is our intelligence in chechnya? we are so good right now at knowing about all of al qaeda and arabian peninsula. how well is our intelligence in chechnya, andrea? >> probably better than one would think because you have whole units of our intelligence community who remain devoted to these areas. >> old cold war desks. >> and these actually, in the, you know, in the '90s and the first decade of, you know, 2000, this was a very hot area. so, this was a pretty big area of intelligence research by both the state department and intelligence community and that expertise does not evaporate. people do get moved with more resources being allocated to north africa and to yemen. >> andrea, i want to stop you right here. we have an update on the third potential suspect. here's what our folks on the ground are reporting. police in, we have richard espozito has been reporting to this. richard, i think i have you with me. so, there is a third accomplice and they think he was on that train. i had just reported a few minutes ago abo
this wasn't our fight for chechnya. how good is our intelligence in chechnya? we are so good right now at knowing about all of al qaeda and arabian peninsula. how well is our intelligence in chechnya, andrea? >> probably better than one would think because you have whole units of our intelligence community who remain devoted to these areas. >> old cold war desks. >> and these actually, in the, you know, in the '90s and the first decade of, you know, 2000, this was a very hot...
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take a listen. >> a young person who went to russia and chechnya who blew people up in boston. so he didn't stay where he went but learned something where he went and came back with a willingness to kill people. >> why? people say to me, they surely know they can never defeat us. they can never overthrow us. they can never occupy us. so why? why whether it's al qaeda central out of the flatta or two twisted perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadists in boston. why do they do what they do? >> i think what's cowardly, and it was terrorism. but -- >> seems to indicate he doesn't believe they're connected to a large, foreign -- >> i'm sorry. you're making assessments that i'm not going to -- engage in. >> so piers, what you have there is the secretary of state suggesting that tamerlan tsarnaev was trained in chechnya. although the state department walked that comment back and said that the secretary of state was not specifically referring to tamerlan tsarnaev, but was referring in general to extremists who go abroad and are trained abroad. you can believe that or not. then you have vic
take a listen. >> a young person who went to russia and chechnya who blew people up in boston. so he didn't stay where he went but learned something where he went and came back with a willingness to kill people. >> why? people say to me, they surely know they can never defeat us. they can never overthrow us. they can never occupy us. so why? why whether it's al qaeda central out of the flatta or two twisted perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadists in boston. why do they do what they...
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but really more specifically, russia and chechnya. as we talk about what has happened in and around the chechnyian separatist movement it bears mentioning and "u.s.a. today" mentions this that the russian army played a role in radicalizing chechen separatist movements, tell us a little of the history between these two states. >> in the history how recent this is, in the late 18th century, the russian empire invaded the region and this radicalized it. later, joseph stalin drew the borders in such a way that made an ethnic hodge-podge of the region. he suppressed a chechen rebellion by deporting the entire chechen population to central asia, a deeply radicalizing experience, as much as a third or a half of the chechen population died there. in the '90s and early 2000s, russia fought a brutal war there against chechen separatist who is became increasingly affiliated with the islamic, islamic terrorist insurgencies around the world. >> it radicalized both sides, russia and the chechens, for the churchens, the chechens because increasingly
but really more specifically, russia and chechnya. as we talk about what has happened in and around the chechnyian separatist movement it bears mentioning and "u.s.a. today" mentions this that the russian army played a role in radicalizing chechen separatist movements, tell us a little of the history between these two states. >> in the history how recent this is, in the late 18th century, the russian empire invaded the region and this radicalized it. later, joseph stalin drew...
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is there anything on a smaller scale in chechnya? we saw these brothers be effective in the bombing and incredibly amateurish after the bombing. it would be interesting to see if they got any training beyond what they saw on the internet for the bombing. we will not know that in these hearings, but perhaps we will know if there is a mini-out qaeda for extremist islam in the region. i think i will save the rest of my questions for question time. >> thank you very much. we will now proceed to our questions and dialogue. let me begin by saying that years ago, i think in 2004, the terrorist took over a school in russia. is that city part of chechnya? or part of russia? it is a russian school. the terrorists murdered in the end -- 180 children lost their lives. i remember calling the white house personally and i talked directly with condoleezza rice and i told her, now is the time that we can establish a close and positive relationship with russia. recruit them to work with us in areas of mutual interest that we could not do before. now i
is there anything on a smaller scale in chechnya? we saw these brothers be effective in the bombing and incredibly amateurish after the bombing. it would be interesting to see if they got any training beyond what they saw on the internet for the bombing. we will not know that in these hearings, but perhaps we will know if there is a mini-out qaeda for extremist islam in the region. i think i will save the rest of my questions for question time. >> thank you very much. we will now proceed...
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chechnya is still home to militant separatist groups. and the home tamerlan's father grew up in has been destroyed by war. the relatives still live here. tamerlan traveled here during his trip last year. >> translator: he came to see me. we talked. i said, come here, guy. are you studying, i asked. i'm studying, he said. there was nothing criminal about him. >> reporter: deval says this region has also seen a growth in islamic extremism, becoming more anti-western and anti-american. >> if you are a young jihadist from this region, you certainly blame russia as the kind of evil empire that attacked and repressed you and also the west, basically, did nothing to intervene when russia was bombing chechnya. >> reporter: it's not known if tamerlan met with any extremists during his visit to chechnya. on his youtube page in a playlist called "terrorism" there was i link to this video of a small-time militant, abu dijan. abu dijan and tamerlan were both in dagestan last year. according to dagestani police abu dijan's group ran a training camp in
chechnya is still home to militant separatist groups. and the home tamerlan's father grew up in has been destroyed by war. the relatives still live here. tamerlan traveled here during his trip last year. >> translator: he came to see me. we talked. i said, come here, guy. are you studying, i asked. i'm studying, he said. there was nothing criminal about him. >> reporter: deval says this region has also seen a growth in islamic extremism, becoming more anti-western and anti-american....
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. >> the tsarnaev family is from war-torn chechnya. dzhokhar came first and his brother and two sisters joined the family. before come together united states, tamerlan's father coached him in boxing. so he was already on his way to becoming an experienced fighter. by 2009, tamerlan was bocking in the golden gloves tournament in salt lake city, utah. fellow boxer julian pollard roomed with tamerlan during the tournament. he remembers his swagger and sense of style. >> he stood out. that was kind of like the perception i got. flashy, confident, maybe cocky. i guess he backed it up in the ring. he could fight, he could punch. he could put a guy out. when the time was right if he had a big punch in him and the opening was there he could finish a guy. >> that ferocity apparently carried over outside the boxing ring. he was arrested that same year for slapping his girlfriend in the face during a fight over another woman. the following year, 2010, he married catherine russell, a suffolk university student he met in a nightclub and had dated o
. >> the tsarnaev family is from war-torn chechnya. dzhokhar came first and his brother and two sisters joined the family. before come together united states, tamerlan's father coached him in boxing. so he was already on his way to becoming an experienced fighter. by 2009, tamerlan was bocking in the golden gloves tournament in salt lake city, utah. fellow boxer julian pollard roomed with tamerlan during the tournament. he remembers his swagger and sense of style. >> he stood out....
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dagg stan and chechnya. it had a hard time dealing with the arrestive nature that was supposed to be under its umbrella but didn't want to be. in world war ii when the soviets were fighting the nazis, separatists in chechnya saw an opportunity and rose up to break free of the soviet union. stalin not only crushed that revolt but what he did to chechnya afterward is part of how stalin earned his repetition today. stalin in 1944, get this, forcibly deported the entire population of chechnya. not the rebels, not the fighters, but everyone in the country. men, women, children. he forced them out of their homeland where they had lived for centuries and made them move all the way to siberia and kazakhstan. the whole country deported from their own country. tens of thousands died. they were not allowed to return for ten years. by then it was the late 1950s when cruise tauv was trying to undue some of stalin's legacies. they once again trite to get their independence from russia now that the soviet union was gone. t
dagg stan and chechnya. it had a hard time dealing with the arrestive nature that was supposed to be under its umbrella but didn't want to be. in world war ii when the soviets were fighting the nazis, separatists in chechnya saw an opportunity and rose up to break free of the soviet union. stalin not only crushed that revolt but what he did to chechnya afterward is part of how stalin earned his repetition today. stalin in 1944, get this, forcibly deported the entire population of chechnya. not...
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basically, did nothing to intervene when russia was bombing chechnya. it's not known if tamerlan met with any extremists during his visit to chechnya. on his youtube page, there was a link to this video of a small-time mill tant. they were both in dagestan last year. according to police, he ran a training camp in the woods and made these videos demonstrating how to make and prepare homemade explosives or use a cell phone as a detonator. and, says the local police chief, the militants trained foreigners. >> what did the foreigners learn? >> i can't talk about the number of foreigners, but they met to exchange their banded experience. >> he says the mill tants trained men who live in other countries. >> there are reports that dujan was observed at the mosque and he was observed meeting tsarnaev. do you know this? >> translator: i really can't answer this. for different reasons, i can't answer. you understand me? >> did abudujan and tamerlan meet? we don't know. this past december, they were killed when russian special forces hit their hideout. >> maybe he
basically, did nothing to intervene when russia was bombing chechnya. it's not known if tamerlan met with any extremists during his visit to chechnya. on his youtube page, there was a link to this video of a small-time mill tant. they were both in dagestan last year. according to police, he ran a training camp in the woods and made these videos demonstrating how to make and prepare homemade explosives or use a cell phone as a detonator. and, says the local police chief, the militants trained...
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let's keep chechnya to the side. it's dagestan where he went. he probably was not just visiting grandma. let's assume that he had a link there to some of the terrorists groups that are fighting an insurgency in dagestan. i would be far more focused on dagestan than chechnya at this point. >> he does seem to be a series of contradictions. he was increasingly religious by all accounts but in dagestan according to his family he slept through morning prayers. he doesn't fit in in the united states. people say that and he also apparently wrote about that in social media. even after he got back, he's trying to become an american citizen. he applied again three months after returning from dagestan. it's hard to separate the political situation and what impact it might have it and his own personal emotional situation. >> absolutely. i read over the weekend everything i could about him, just think of one thing. he came back. he was denied his citizenship by the fbi. when he wanted to become a member of the u.s. olympic boxing team. >> he wants to represe
let's keep chechnya to the side. it's dagestan where he went. he probably was not just visiting grandma. let's assume that he had a link there to some of the terrorists groups that are fighting an insurgency in dagestan. i would be far more focused on dagestan than chechnya at this point. >> he does seem to be a series of contradictions. he was increasingly religious by all accounts but in dagestan according to his family he slept through morning prayers. he doesn't fit in in the united...
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the family came from chechnya originally. dead,other tamerlan is shot by police. his uncles are calling for him to turn himself in. >> if you are alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured, and forgiveness from these people. >> the net) the two man hours after the fbi -- the net closed around two man hours after the fbi 10:30, the brothers tried to rob a 7-eleven store near the massachusetts institute of technology. then news a police officer was attacked. sean collier, 26 years old, was shot as he sat in his car. he died soon after. the brothers hijacked a car, and the chase that followed ended in watertown, 10 miles from boston. on the usually quiet suburban street, there was a fierce firefight, captured on mobile phones. the police were taking no chances. the innocent owner of the pect tvaycar was for a he died in hospital. >> the closed in around one guy. they got in position. >> what did you see? >> just -- they were screaming at him. they all had their guns out. he was at the point where he was like this. finally, by t
the family came from chechnya originally. dead,other tamerlan is shot by police. his uncles are calling for him to turn himself in. >> if you are alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured, and forgiveness from these people. >> the net) the two man hours after the fbi -- the net closed around two man hours after the fbi 10:30, the brothers tried to rob a 7-eleven store near the massachusetts institute of technology. then news a police officer...
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we have chechnya in the middle. the reason why it's important here is because it really by radical chechens to form. significantly -- >> let me stop you right there. there were two chechen campai s campaigns. the has been a long standing source of tension. there was a somewhat successful chechen war for independence against russia in the 1990s. that was brutally squashed by vladmir putin. >> the status was left unresolved in the region. he decided he was going to squash the radical segment. how we have the consequences of the radicals. >> there was a secular nationalist uprising. what has happened is the spread of the resistance. joshua, that's where the early speculation. if indeed the suspect apprehendsed is the person who did this, hwe have no idea his motives. the context does strike me as important. there's a context of radicalization in chechnya even if it has no connection to these boys. >> right. it goes back even to the first chechen war. they let him go when the war ended. this family, the tsarni family ha
we have chechnya in the middle. the reason why it's important here is because it really by radical chechens to form. significantly -- >> let me stop you right there. there were two chechen campai s campaigns. the has been a long standing source of tension. there was a somewhat successful chechen war for independence against russia in the 1990s. that was brutally squashed by vladmir putin. >> the status was left unresolved in the region. he decided he was going to squash the radical...
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the question about chechnya is interesting. it is not necessarily chechnya. as jennifer griffin reported, this family apparently moved to central asia before coming to the u.s. they may have bounced around. there is also, you know, a tie between chechen terrorists and radical islamists including al qaeda that goes back really to the 90's. the number two man, al-zawahiri, went to georgia in the '90s it try to find a base there and there was a big fight between the georgian military and the u.s. actually helped back then in the pankezi gorge. since then chechen terrorists have been a part of the a number of different incidents around the globe, in afghanistan, in central asia and even africa and libya. jenna: some important context for us to consider today. leads nicely into the next report we have, bret, back to you in our d.c. bureau as we get more information there. jon: jennifer griffin has been doing great reporting on this story throughout and we don't know a great deal at this point about these suspects although the amount of information that has come ou
the question about chechnya is interesting. it is not necessarily chechnya. as jennifer griffin reported, this family apparently moved to central asia before coming to the u.s. they may have bounced around. there is also, you know, a tie between chechen terrorists and radical islamists including al qaeda that goes back really to the 90's. the number two man, al-zawahiri, went to georgia in the '90s it try to find a base there and there was a big fight between the georgian military and the u.s....
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then he went to russia and then chechnya. why wasn't he interviewed when he came back either at the airport when he was returning or later? and what happened in chechnya that may have radicalized him? and third, there were things on his website that indicated that he had been radicalized certainly when a foreign government points out that something is wrong or something might be wrong, he ought to be interviewed again. so, again, while the fbi's done a very good job over the last ten years, i certainly think there are questions that have to be answered. >> senator graham, on the other hand if you don't find anything about someone and he is a permanent resident, do you want to just put a red flag on him forever? >> no. once you're brought to attention by a foreign government, i think you should have a red flag put then to be dropped later. the ball is dropped in one of two ways, the fbi missed things potential answer our laws do not allow to follow-up in a sound solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on
then he went to russia and then chechnya. why wasn't he interviewed when he came back either at the airport when he was returning or later? and what happened in chechnya that may have radicalized him? and third, there were things on his website that indicated that he had been radicalized certainly when a foreign government points out that something is wrong or something might be wrong, he ought to be interviewed again. so, again, while the fbi's done a very good job over the last ten years, i...
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if you google match chechnya, it is not a country, it is a region. for 200 years, there has been a movement to try to separate from russia. russia has crushed a rebel movement twice since the 1990s. important. these two individuals were not born in chechnya. instead, they were born here, in kyrgyzstan. exactly how they got to kyrgyzstan and at what point, not clear, but we know they left in 2002-2003 coming to the united states. now, the older brother tamerlan, 26, now dead, we know that in january of last year, he flew from jfk to moscow. he was over there for six months, returned from moscow to jfk in july. we don't know what happened there, except that he visited his father. scroll back down, we move south back to that region. there's chechnya. that's where his father is right now. he gave an interview to russian tv today. his father says his sons have been framed, at least that's what he believe. if you are from that region, it is muslim. what we do not know is if there is any direct connection between these individuals. one of the key movements
if you google match chechnya, it is not a country, it is a region. for 200 years, there has been a movement to try to separate from russia. russia has crushed a rebel movement twice since the 1990s. important. these two individuals were not born in chechnya. instead, they were born here, in kyrgyzstan. exactly how they got to kyrgyzstan and at what point, not clear, but we know they left in 2002-2003 coming to the united states. now, the older brother tamerlan, 26, now dead, we know that in...
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in chechnya, i'm sure there will be horror and anger. even those who support the cause of chechen independence will be very upset about this. because they view their fight against russia as an honorable struggle and what happened in boston is as far as you can possibly get from honor, so i think even in chechnya, even those fighting the russians, there will be anger and loathing for these young men. >> many thanks for your insights. joined now by ron allen who is in cambridge where we have been seeing that activity. also clint van zandt remains with us. tell me what you're seeing. what specifically is going on? >> the police have converged on the house where the two brothers lived we believe with their mother and perhaps with two sisters. they've been out here all day. probably half the night as well. trying to learn what they can about these two individuals. we've seen cars searched in front of the house. we were told a couple hours ago there was going to be a controlled detonation of a device near the house. we've been told earlier tha
in chechnya, i'm sure there will be horror and anger. even those who support the cause of chechen independence will be very upset about this. because they view their fight against russia as an honorable struggle and what happened in boston is as far as you can possibly get from honor, so i think even in chechnya, even those fighting the russians, there will be anger and loathing for these young men. >> many thanks for your insights. joined now by ron allen who is in cambridge where we...
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two suspects identified as brothers from russia near chechnya. can you tell us what that might mean? up to this point, ian, they have targeted -- these guys targeted -- talking about the chechnya rebels, moscow many times. would this be the first time that anything like this has happened? >> well, it would be the first time if in addition to being from chechnya they were also affiliated directly with with some sort of chechen militant group. let's keep in mind that when you talk about folks engaged in international terrorism there are efforts to bring them in from all sorts of regions around that area. what we need to know is whether or not this is affecting just individuals. and if they're not, what kind of organization are they affiliated with. it doesn't necessarily mean they're affiliated with a chechen organization. but if they are, absolutely, it would be the first time we have seen this conflict spread beyond the cop fines of the former soviet union. >> ian, just so people know, there are chechens that want to have a breakaway islamic stat
two suspects identified as brothers from russia near chechnya. can you tell us what that might mean? up to this point, ian, they have targeted -- these guys targeted -- talking about the chechnya rebels, moscow many times. would this be the first time that anything like this has happened? >> well, it would be the first time if in addition to being from chechnya they were also affiliated directly with with some sort of chechen militant group. let's keep in mind that when you talk about...
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i never would have thought of chechnya. the fact is, if anything, we're seen as somewhat sympathetic with the chechnyans and overcritical of the russians. maybe we're right or wrong. that's the way it's seen. i was in russia a day after the attacks in beslan, you know, that really were a tremendous shock to the russian people. and some of the russian officials including some of the people in their security apparatus, they were lobbying me very heavily back then that we don't take them seriously enough, we don't realize how heavily connected they are through afghanistan, particularly the effort in afghanistan, you know, with the russians, how well integrated they are into the entire islamic extremist effort. this is a thing they've been trying to pitch to us now going back to the early days of the bush administration. and i think -- listening to your conversation, i don't think we should take the bait. i mean, i think that the reality is we shouldn't let these two whatever they are, maniacs, you know, start making decisions
i never would have thought of chechnya. the fact is, if anything, we're seen as somewhat sympathetic with the chechnyans and overcritical of the russians. maybe we're right or wrong. that's the way it's seen. i was in russia a day after the attacks in beslan, you know, that really were a tremendous shock to the russian people. and some of the russian officials including some of the people in their security apparatus, they were lobbying me very heavily back then that we don't take them seriously...
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he's from chechnya. he ask his older brother are accused of this boston bombing at the boston marathon. they are looking for both of them. he is considered armed and dangerous, possibly having explosives on him. these are the pictures that came out last night. on the left side of your screen is his 26-year-old brother tamerlan tsarnaev. we've learned he was a boxer. that he too had been in the area for a while. he was killed in a shootout with police and then on the right side previously described as just the man in the backwards white that is dzhokhar tsamaev. he is on the run right now. he is what every law enforcement official in that area is focused on, finding him, getting him into custody and off the street. this morning we have been hearing from family members. the father in russia calls his youngest son an angel, said he'd been a medical student. the uncle lives in maryland and reporters did catch up with him earlier this morning and here's what he had to say. >> it's crazy. it's not possible. i
he's from chechnya. he ask his older brother are accused of this boston bombing at the boston marathon. they are looking for both of them. he is considered armed and dangerous, possibly having explosives on him. these are the pictures that came out last night. on the left side of your screen is his 26-year-old brother tamerlan tsarnaev. we've learned he was a boxer. that he too had been in the area for a while. he was killed in a shootout with police and then on the right side previously...
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the west sometimes in their sights as they train and recruit in the words chechnya wars began a cycle of violence that doesn't stop, just spreads. >> the white house correspondents dinner is toni t tonight. it's usually a fun and festive affair. in light of what's happened in boston, will it be the same? will the president joke about things? wi what we'll be right back. (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. we make meeting times, lunch times and conference times. but what we'd rather be making are tee times. tee times are the official start of what we love to do. the time for shots we'd rather forget, and the ones we'll talk about forever. in michigan long days, relaxing weather and more than 800 pristine courses make for the perfect tee time. because being able to play all day is pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. but i wondered what a customer thought? describe the first time you met. you brought the flex in... as soon as i met fiona and i was describing the problem we were having with ou
the west sometimes in their sights as they train and recruit in the words chechnya wars began a cycle of violence that doesn't stop, just spreads. >> the white house correspondents dinner is toni t tonight. it's usually a fun and festive affair. in light of what's happened in boston, will it be the same? will the president joke about things? wi what we'll be right back. (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities....